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susan collins. as always, whenever you come on this show, you have something really interesting to tell us. i'm reading about this carve-out for small businesses you are kind of looking after. tell us more, how does this work? >> what i wanted to do was to try to forth a middle ground that protected small businesses from any of the rate hikes that are being discussed. it seems to me that democrats have been focussing mainly on increasing taxes, republicans were focussing mainly on the need to protect small business. and that there was a way to accomplish a middle ground by allowing for a sir tax on the very wealthy, those making over a million dollars a year. but not applying it to small businesses. many of whom paid taxes through the individual income tax system. >> right. that's a key point. all right, i'm going it leave the sir tax alone. i just want to focus, you basically keep small business top rated 35%, and i wanted to ask you, are there any restrictions. we are talking sub chapter llcs, et cetera, et cetera. are there any restrictions to that, or is it just everybody? >> there
. i see saxby as a defector, i see susan collins as a defector. dough do they have the vote? >> i assume they keep all 53 democrats on all that. there might be a couple running in 2014 that high a high view on this. 60 is a high threshold. there are republicans out there who are talking publicly about this issue and articulating their-on-position on the tax issue. even if they can get to 60 in the house and senate, they're not going to get there in the house. the house of representatives have made it clear tax rate increases are a nonstarter. >> it just seemed like mr. obama was dissing mr. boehner on the difference between cap rates and deductions. >> i guess my other point isser skin bowls, he comes out of a white house, businessman's meeting today, and said that maybe baum will be flexible and it will only being 37%, 38%. is at that what they mean by common ground? >> i don't think that gets threw. i mean, speaker bainor, other republican leaders have laid out parameters of what republicans can't up to water. >> you only raise $68 billion next year. that's enough to fund the go
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